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Justin solo tour Aug=Sept 2015
October 21, 2015
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You are very intelligent. Israelis meet in a district instead of a stake. What's the difference?

I am interested in anything Justin, but that is part of my toxic psychosis, which I must mend.

October 21, 2015
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District. Interesting. thank you for the tidbit.... I didn't know.

psychosis isn't always toxic. Turn it positive.

I decided to study Norse runes today, I love languages and codes. There's ALWAYS something interesting to do.... sure can't do Yuku tonight, it's toes up ..... dear me maybe those links made it crash. That would be silly.... the photos weren't all that great either. Confused

October 22, 2015
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It was everybody rushing to see the photos, and lingering all night.

All I can say is I can't hold a candle to you. I'm exhausted for sitting. I'm supposed to be working three shifts a day, now, but I keep falling asleep at work. Such a lazy bum. I long for that old economy of working ten or twelve hours a day and going home to put my feet up, take a walk, volunteer, tutor, read about work-related subjects that interest me, and hit the mattress for a good six hours. I'd love to unload a job, but unemployment is so low, nobody can find anybody to fill the unskilled, unpaid, third-shift, make-work inanity. (Yes, future employers, you read that. I don't enjoy killing myself over inanity in the wee hours.) Another thing I don't like about the new economy is how getting paid is anybody's guess anymore, and major purchases take weeks to show up on your account while subject to changes in prices.

You, luna, are the psychologist. I am the sick one. I is-pose in spite of your proficiency, alacrity, perspicacity, and all that, you've never treated one as far-gone as I. I know I don't have to be toxic. I just haven't figured out how to stop. I should probably start by taking a hiatus from here. I try to keep the conversation alive, but I only injure the good folks and kill the conversations. I is-pose much of it is me getting insanely jealous so easily. I never used to get jealous, which I know is horribly sinful, but now I turn a vibrant green any time I hear about how close and personal the real fans are with Justin. I'm the old, wicked step-sister. Next thing you know, I'll be making fans stay home and sweep the floors on concert night.

Work to back.

October 22, 2015
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no you're no further gone than the rest of us. It's when you have no concept that you really AREN'T Justin's secret girlfriend that there is a problem.

Been there done that, you'll have to work out your work schedule on your own. I had a 15 year old student try to argue with me about how Bernie Saunders should be our next president because he was going to raise the minimum wage. The poor child had no concept that it had already been done in Washington State; yours truly with a master's degree gets the same working wage a hamburger flipper does in our state. Set your priorities, and watch your budget. We all know these things....

I don't treat ANYONE for mental illness unless they cross my palm with silver!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wink Not only did Ms. Rand teach me that, but my professors did too. I could recommend maybe joining the local AA chapter, they deal with all sorts of addictions, and maybe they'll let you 12 step with them. Nice social outlet too.

Believe me, Justin's real friends are not out there talking to his fans ie the fans don't have personal relationships with Justin. There's a lot of fans who have over active fantasy machines in their heads, cranking out stories. THOSE are the far gone ones. They don't know reality from fantasy. Feel pity not jealousy. Frown

November 1, 2015
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I feel a witto better, not so full of poo anymore. I got to meditate somewhat. I was on a roll in church. I sat in the hall and stared out the window, as I was too germy to join the other folks in the chapel. I figured I'd sit out there until I could hide behind the piano for the next two hours. Then, I let a certain stalker mess with my peace. He started praising me from the pulpit, you know I'm such the religious experience and surely the object of congregational worship. I told myself not to let him live rent free in my mind. When he finished his words, I ran for the women's room. I was stoked with adrenaline. Said stalker knew where I'd been sitting because he had already tripped over my foot. I wasn't even so sure he would stay out of the ladies' room. I tried to collect my sanity by repeating in my mind, "He's a fake! He's a fake!" I injure myself by suffering fools and giving them the benefit of a doubt. I've done that too long, and it doesn't help anybody. I was annoyed because I couldn't hear what the other people were saying. In fact, the only thing I heard was one lady saying, "In my wildest dreams!" with the same inflection Justin adds at the end of the live version. "What goes around comes around," thought I. Poor Justin must put up with creepy me at so many shows. As an aside, some good friends who are aware of the problem swung into helicopter mode. I didn't appreciate that enough. Later, I was able to laugh the sitchy-ation off in the name of religious tolerance.

So, anyway I was thinking a lot about truth and posturing, and how I usually don't have a hard time discerning between the two, so much as it is nearly impossible for me to tell somebody to their face, "You're full of junk." I used to be so much better, but that was when I was more disciplined (i.e., keeping the Commandments, though that constitutes offensive language today). I thought about how people judge each other, and opportunities are awarded accordingly. I rode my genius sister's coattails to glory, and now I'm left to fend for myself and everybody doesn't have the time to teach me simple arithmetic. I'm retarded and have it made in the shade so all other philosophies about achievement and goals don't apply. I figured we're all as retarded as we let the world tell us. There's got to be a way out of this curse of uselessness. (And I don't want to insult persons with bona fide physical limitations by comparing them to me.) I layered consideration of reactions, honesty, inappropriate affect, and fake affect; on top of the truth, delusion, and deception. I considered the play of the times - whether sarcasm or feigned humility is in-vogue for communicating the opposite. I reminded myself of my definition of love - helping another become as glorious as possible, not necessarily performing a miracle, but helping them move in the right direction. That's the only way I can fathom self-love, but then I fear I'm too awkward, too behind everybody to offer others help, to much of a miff monster to do anything but bungle, too simple to assist others on their level. Why say anything when I'm so far behind the curve?

The last two Sundays, I just sat down with the Evo in the woods. Everything felt just right, the space, the weather, the sky. I need to soak it in while I can. So what boots a few minutes of perfect copacetia? Then, I think of all the wars that have gone down. People on both sides can't be right? I think of all the bad ideas through the ages, where people claim supremacy based on some fiction. All these people a gazillion times better than I hear the battle cry only to be judged total morons in the next century. Why do people give control freaks any time of day? People who believe established superstition, fraud, or other manipulations and coercions are quite valid when I can't even be trusted to know what I had for breakfast. I thought about emotions and how so much of what binds people together is unverifiable. Two people latch on to some Atlantean, horoscopic, or past-life something and feel a connection. What's that about? It looks like bondage by mutual dupery, and that passes for love. I know, when you feel it, you know it, but I'm too damaged to even think about that just now. I have my own magical mystical draws, but where have they led but to insanity, inanity, unpopularity, and bottom-of-the-food-chain jobs. Does that mean I'm an artist?

So, as you can plainly see, my emotional development is too infantile and sicko-psycho to worry about whether fans are close personal friends, delusional, or deceptive. It is none of my affair. I shall surely go back on Udo patrol for letting all my insanity hang out, but there you have it. Me go read and try to resume brainwave transmission. And that, I hope, is my final whine.

I think we were talking about Justin's tour. Any news on whether he's still playing Tel Aviv? Justin's and Mike's pages aren't acknowledging the show, but the promoter's web site is still selling tickets. Not that that's any of my business, either.

November 1, 2015
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Oh, yeah. I left off that part about confidence and delivery. Some people are better talkers than thinkers, and others are better thinkers than talkers. And we all have different interpretations of and levels of tolerance for all the mannerisms that pass as expertise. And I'm too stupid to see 1% of what's going on. Otay. As my brother's first fiancée said, "Get back on the wall, leslee."

November 3, 2015
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Yeah you're thinking too hard. I find the best thing at such times is 1) a cup of tea 2) go for a walk 3) get some sleep 4) go work in my garden. Something about getting my hands dirty turns me right around.

I'm sorry about your stalker, and I'm glad some folks are helping you out with that. I have no idea what men find attractive, or why. I had that happen in Solana Beach at the show and was a little shocked, then my little egocentric world was tipped around and I found out there was a bit more to the story than I knew (stuff going on behind my back, my teacher instincts let me down.) Like for a few microseconds I felt "stalked" then I blew it off and enjoyed the show. I sure plan to wear that slinky dress I had on if I ever have a hot date, that's for sure. Remind me to fill you in off line sometime, it was actually very funny the whole thing, now that I have a different perspective.

It's a fact, drunken/stoned men are agents of Chaos. Maybe your stalker is hitting the bottle or something.

So........... no, no final word (from like Justin or Mike) about Tel Aviv, and everyone on the newsgroups is studiously ignoring the whole thing right now. I did just read they've dug up a parking lot in Jerusalem and found some Greek ruins. The place is an archaeologist's paradise apparently.
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I happened to run across an article that might pertain... Discover Magazine, Sept 2015 (should be in the local library) pg 22.... about inner voices. Which we all have. The Inner Critic.

I did this psych workshop long ago in which we were supposed to explore and share our "inner critic"........ this is the wee small voice that we all have inside, often sending us negative messages we picked up as small children and such. Some of us still talk out loud, rather than internalizing it (I'm guilty of this, especially in fabric stores). Anyway we all sat on the floor in leotards, and were each issued a lump of clay and told to "sculpt our inner critic"............

I think first we had to lay down and do a guided imagry exercise to "find our inner critic"........ then we modeled it. I love clay and was tossing it around ... I was suddenly sculpting this crazy peacock eel I used to have, who would hide under the sand in the aquarium, but the moment he got a whiff of tube worms in the water, out he'd pop and go after them. He was really a lovely creature.... anyway somehow my "inner critic" turned out to look like my eel popping out of the gravel.

We all had to share of course, and everyone had these little bowls and things (why do people always mold bowls when given a free choice with clay I wonder) part of it all was to listen politely to others. Everyone seemed to think they had an inner voice that was super toxic or mean spirited. Mine wasn't at all... he was just hiding most of the time, and a little weird.

I loved that little sculpture and took it home, put it on the bookshelf. I told my mom about it, and she thought it was funny too. We often refered to the Inner Critic sitting on the bookshelf. Darn if I know where that silly thing went.

Anyway we all have inner voices. Whether it's a toxic self critic or not is of course, up to your own interpretation. Super good article, you should go read it, leslee.

November 5, 2015
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1. I don't consider the inability to figure out the simplest of matters thinking too deeply.

2. Please keep me out of the back channel. I don't belong there. I'm toxic, remember? I think a lot of people are scared away from this site because of my reputation for backstabbing and starting horrible rumours on the back pages. If anything, just keep pointing out to me (online) when my posts are slanderous or otherwise injurious.

3. As I've said before, Mr. Stalker is mentally handicapped and criminal. What I fear is he would start a movement with others claiming to share his revelations. It is for me to forgive. Nuff said.

4. I dreamed last night I went to Tel Aviv and kept moving closer and closer to the stage. By about the third number, I was so close, Justin walked off, and that was the end of the show. Like always, I was sitting there trying to tell myself I was not that bad or that significant to cause him to leave the stage - even though he always does that in my dreams - unless he refuses to set foot on stage in the first place until I leave.

5. Tel Aviv still seems a safer option than going on a cruise. I'd rather blow up on a plane, comfortably reading a good book, than get pinned in a corner of a cruise ship by somebody who's been drinking too much or have cameras transmitting bathroom scenes to some sleazy rock stars (not the Moodies) behind the golden ropes.

November 5, 2015
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I just polluted this page again. Let's talk about something nice. Happy thoughts, happy thoughts:

November 5, 2015
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No no pollution.... you just worry about stuff, a lot of folks do. Don't worry, be happy.

Honestly you are no part of any back channel, and I was not snickering at any fans. Long story. Never mind. IMHO Justin is still pretty lethal with the barbs, perfectly capable of defending himself. And people ARE very human indeed. I'm still chuckling a bit over the whole thing. It was such a lovely day and lovely show, honestly. Great party!!!! Smile

If people are scared (of anything), that's their problem. I have thought about the cruise, maybe doing it at the last minute, there are several musicians on there I'd love to see/hear (Vanilla Fudge, Annie Haslam, the Strawbs) not to mention I'd be delighted to snorkel some more, but it's just too far Cry, and unhealthy for me. I sunburn easy, can't drink anymore and the flight there is grueling. Key West sounds like a zoo.

I'd have to meet Mr. Stalker to judge the situation. Cherish your supporters, they sound very kind. If you have anger, direct it at HIM since he is the perpetrator of the entire mess (and no one else.) Yes it's your choice, but I've learned the hard way you CAN'T be nice to some people. Among them, eighth graders.... I had to bully some today.... and didn't like it. But if you aren't mean, they will tear you up; I'm Miss Milquetoast compared to most jr high teachers. You also can't be kind to sharks, because they will repay your kindness by having you for dinner. Etc.

Perhaps you are seeing an angel in your dreams instead of Justin.

November 6, 2015
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I read a few things online and came to find out I was totally wrong about safety and sleaze. It turns out Tel Aviv has a reputation for being rather libertine, and I was all afraid of breaking Shabbat. The cruise ship, after reading Justin's description, sounded so very tranquil. The stars, moonlight, waves, and gobs and oodles of kind and gentle people.

P.S. I was rather certain it was Justin who was stalking you. You are so blessed.

November 7, 2015
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lunazure said
Perhaps you are seeing an angel in your dreams instead of Justin.

I was fretting over this in the wee hours. Harking back to hero Newton, it was as dumbfounding to me as transubstantiation was to him. He thought "substance" was ill-defined in the terrestrial sphere, and had no clue what it might mean in the heavenly. So, now you ask mental-midget me to discern between an angel (of whose stuff I'm clueless) and a person in a dream (of whose stuff I'm clueless). And though angels have been known to appear in the form of man, I doubt I could distinguish between Justin and one of them were they to appear before me in all their glory. Is that whereat you were getting? However, since the problem is non-appearance, angels, Justin, and everybody else are equally guilty.

Last night, I dreamed I was coming back from Tel Aviv. The conflict was so terrible, I was telling my stranger-friend I couldn't believe we made it back to the states. All went off like clockwork, but my mind was focused on political roadblocks and all and nowhere near the show. What a pity. I can be such a fool in my dreams, not to mention wakefulness.

I wish Justin would get out of my dreams and into my car. Let's get this party started. (I'm just singing old pop tunes. I don't know what they mean.) Work to back.

November 7, 2015
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No Justin only stalked me once, that was long ago when he followed my levis onto an elevator. (True story) I honestly think he was more curious about the flight jacket than anything else. It had been a long weekend, for sure.

I dreamed about an angel the other night, only it manifested as a Mandarin in dark blue silk robes, and I was on the therapy couch talking to him. Then he disappeared with a box of my trinkets and was replaced by a very strange creature that was part octopus (had five legs) part flounder and part lizard. It could fly and was cowering in one of my house plants.

No I have no idea what it means either, but I thought it would be a good conversation point.

I have no more to say about Tel Aviv, and I hope Justin moves along with some sort of orchestral tour. I think it would be lovely to just do a few shows with that ensemble he recorded "Story in your Eyes" with.... I'd travel for THAT.... not for something I've already seen. Something new... yeah that's the ticket. Shucks I might even bestir myself to go to the Med to see something really unique. To bleep with Tel Aviv, how about Italy???

November 8, 2015
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How wonderful to share an elevator with Justin. I'm speechless.

I don't know what to say about your dream except maybe you eat a lot of tryptophan? The dark blue silk robes sound beautiful. Speaking of which, have you ever sewn with Dupioni? It is so lovely, but I find it cantankerous, unravelly, stiff, etc. As for the Mandarin, I once dreamed Justin was dressed as a Geisha girl. The next day, there was an article in a local paper about George Sand, and the drawing looked just like Justin did. That was long before all that kind of stuff went mainstream. What were we not talking about?

Oh, yeah. Tel Aviv. I suppose it is just as well. I thought promotion from Universal for 'Strange Times' was weird. Neither the artists nor the venue are mentioning the show, but the promoter is. "I can understand the moon and stars" - Maybe if I spoke Hebrew it all wouldn't be so confusing.

Frankly, I love everything about Italy, except the stories of corruption here and there and air pollution on dreary days. Italians live as art. I always thought I would go to Florence some day. I had deja vus the first time I remember seeing a photo of the city. I'm such a fan of the Renaissance. As a child, I loved Italian music, and when I was there, I loved the passion in the music. France played bad elevator music on the radio, Italy got me dancing. I love the Mediterranean. I'm crazy about Italian food, but I could never wait for the restaurants open. Ergo, I have never had authentic Italian food. Best of all are all those Italian people who look like me and treat me as if I'm one of their own. I long to get in one of those crazy traffic jams where people grin at each other when they come window-to-window. I love Italians!

I'd really enjoy going back, but I don't want to encourage Justin to do shows outside my budget. I vote for Justin in any genre just pounding Detroit with concerts as soon as I move up there.

November 9, 2015
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How lovely, you've been to Italy? I got to Athens, but literally it was all Greek. Italian I can puzzle out. I don't necessarily want to go to a city, the country sounds nice too. I cook a mean pot of spaghetti so no desire to sample the food, I just like to travel.

Funny you should mention that, yes I HAVE worked with Dupioni, it is a dream to sew. I had no problems with the raveling, not sure why (I know what you mean) and oddly I made a long dark blue Dupioni formal dress for my son's wedding. Other than I messed up the neck, and I was very short on sleep (I looked awful) it looked pretty good. I think I need to get some and work on doll clothes now. Darn PacFab shipped all their Dupioni to another store so I'll have to travel for it. ALL colors of the rainbow... I used to just go feel and look at the stuff.

If you ever watch *Lord of the Rings*, in the last scene where they all meet again and Frodo wakes up, Legolas is wearing Dupioni (eggshell colored) and yes Mr, Bloom looked pretty good in it too.

November 9, 2015
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I hate how they say you're supposed to wash it before you work it, then whatever amazing beautiful color you get is shot. I tried to work with a heavenly shade of ultramarine; a hot, hot pink; and a most tranquilizing shade of aqua. I sure wish I still had that White straight-sew machine I gave away. I had to give up on the first two projects.

I knew you were a sewing enthusiast, and the dark blue silk robes on your angel qua Mandarin sounded so lovely. I'd been wondering these days if I should ditch this project or pass it along to somebody else. I'll wear anything I sew, but I have to be careful making clothes for other people. I made a jacket for my sister once that made her rear end look really huge. I was mortised, and my mother and I were too afraid to say so. It was a beautiful concept, though - magenta kimono fabric with pretty gold and blue designs and a Mandarin collar.

November 9, 2015
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Justin would look lovely in an aqua Dupioni shirt. Wait. He always looks lovely.

So maybe the new relationships he is forging in the interim will result in some solo tours. Mike looks like he's gonna be really busy - thanks to Justin giving him some audiences, no?

November 9, 2015
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I had a horrible thought - that the Gesher concert would be some pre-recorded Justin show - like a Pink Floyd light show or something, and some dufus dorkas would spend $2000 and travel via Turkey for that. But then, if it is what it takes to keep Justin safe and happy, it will do.

November 12, 2015
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I'm still back on a line from Caucasian Chalk Circle (Bertold Brecht) "she sleeps with a candle instead"............... guess it's better than "late nights all alone with a test tube.........." aka Maxwell and his Silver Hammer.

Speaking of which (I was not) I actually found some Dupioni at the store yesterday and bought a quarter yard for a doll dress. Washed by hand, and you're right, evil strings doth abound. It's a wine color. I may go back and get some orange now that I think about it.... or red. I'm sorta biased toward cool colors, need to work with some warm colors for a change.

Where the heck is Gresher? Do translate please.

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