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Veering off again. Back on track! We can stop counting beads and buttons now?
Well since this the psychobabble thread, thought I'd try to redirect the group therapy here. (I'm actually trained to facilitate.... ) leslee and I seem to be the only ones participating. Bonnie seems to want to participate, but only eeks out a dot or two. Most of us feel more empowered if we are recognized by the group, and included. (Empowerment usually makes people feel happy)
So I pose to the group at large, and please chime in here, everyone. The people who post a lot, or go to a lot of shows, obviously love the Moody Blues very much, to go to so much trouble. Why do you think that is? What draws you to show up at so many shows? What draws you to this newsgroup?
I wish to put out a direct quote from Justin, he was tired, and I think it just slipped out of him. Poor guy, he was stressed. "I'm not worth it".......... now Justin was having a bad night obviously. But let's use that as a starting point. Justin IS worth it, very much so, and leslee and I have put forth our reasons we think he's worth it, at length. Would you care to share why you feel it's "worth it" to be here at all, Bonnie? Can you tell us and Justin, why he's worth it?
Don't be shy, you want to get involved. And I know you are very involved in "fan doings" the back channel just keeps rolling in. My goodness you're a busy bee during tours! So, the big question, WHY???
(not just Bonnie now, anyone can answer)
I don't know the context or even the tone or inflections in his voice. Why did Justin say he wasn't worth it? Wasn't worth what? A snotty Kleenex or something brown wrapped in toilet paper? That said, I can only speculate.
Do tell. You know I hang on every word he says.
Was somebody offering him a material gift? I would say that about the presents a stalker offers if I didn't want to throw him more off-kilter by insulting him. I might say that if somebody had put a lot of trouble into a gift to make something I could not use. I might say that if somebody had gone to a lot of trouble to make something really special that I admired a whole lot. Maybe he lusted after a hot babe in the audience.
Was it an acknowledgment? Were people screaming and pulling their hair until they were about to lose consciousness? I must admit, I've done that a number of times, and it always fell short of the amount of noise I should have been making if noise be commensurate with gratitude. Maybe he was off, his performance falling short of his standards. It happens all the time, but it's rare with Justin. Even if that were the case, Justin's technical issues pale in comparison to the spiritual, so I'm sure he would have been his own worst enemy. Maybe some people in the back of the venue were holding up cards with numbers higher than he would have held up. Maybe after hearing him, the venue offered twice what they had committed to in the contract. Maybe he was giving a humble kudo to his supporting musicians and crew.
Was it a spiritual gift, such as his talent? Maybe he played better than he thought he should have given the amount of practice invested. Maybe he received some enlightenment he sought after botching his personal relationships that day. Maybe he was searching for something that never comes, and blamed himself.
Then there's rumor. Did he say that? He's a Brit. Maybe he said, "I'm not with it." Maybe he saw his old friend Ina Worthington.
WHO KNOWS? (Sorry for all caps. I know it makes me look deranged.) The long and the short of it is, you were not correct when you said you and I put forth our reasons at length. Why, I haven't even begun to scratch the surface of why Justin is worth all the glorious, exultant, beautiful, exquisite, exhilarating, refreshing, inspiring, comfortable, mind-opening, masterful, peaceful, and all other good-adjective things anything good has to offer.
We do bring a lot of our own inner self to the proceedings........... most artists are blank slates we project our own inner feelings on anyway... we read and hear what we want to hear.
leslee said:
"I'm sure he would have been his own worst enemy. ......... Maybe he was giving a humble kudo to his supporting musicians and crew."
I like that, and some other things you said were of worth too. I think right before he said that, some drunk had yelled from the audience (a dude) "We love you Justin!" and......... he said what he said.
Now the rules of Group are, we let others speak too. Bonnie is trying very hard to speak. A little louder??? we couldn't quite understand?? Should Justin really say "I'm not worth it" to honest expostulations of love from his adoring fan base? (yes it WAS a dude......... now I sorta understand)
Justin WAS a bit blue, and I really wanted to hop on stage and give him a big hug. However, he comes over that way a lot, part of his charm. Brings out the maternal. Bless him,,,,,,, he was tired I guess. And it was toward the end of the tour.
I like Justin because I admire the holy heck out of his guitar playing and songwriting and poetry. Moodies are my band, my first. I don't know him well enough to go any further with my feelings, no matter what the rest of the adoring throngs are doing (he seems to have good sense, is funny, and might be fun to have lunch with). All the musicians associated with the band are very worth going out of one's way to see. They are magical, and they make me think. (there, that is "at length")
Anyone else? (remember this is Group... all must participate)
Christie (as long as we're using given names) - I have no desire to 'interact' in a thread entitled "PsychoBABBLE" which is what it is - psycho and babble. However, for a laugh, it IS fun to come in and see what you're spewing.
The 'toe picks' (periods) are so you can't edit your nonsense. Think before you hit submit. Weren't you told that in the past? Changing your mind about what you've written doesn't cut it, my dear, since you leave it up long enough for people to read and then cry "OOPS!"
AH well she's not shy, and seems to be harboring anger. At least we have her talking! (I thought maybe she was shy or something). How do you feel about your anger? And not being able to tell someone else what to do with themselves, or their personal blog? Feel free to vent; you sound frustrated. It's just the Group here, and we're all here to grow and learn from each other. I know it always helps me to try and get "outside myself" and try to see things from someone else's perspective.
leslee I really like what you had to say up there, the more I think about it. Good sleuthing. A *dude* had yelled out "we love you Justin" (and Justin is pretty straight, I think we can all agree!!!) ............. as we have said many times "there's no telling what goes on back stage"......... in Phoenix I thought His Nibs was a bit grumpy, but have no idea why. Heat probably!!!
One of the rules of Group, you can't arrive drinking. leslee doesn't drink, and I've sworn off myself, due to high triglycerides. Be sure to come to our next meeting sober, Bonnie. You'll feel better about things. Alcohol is a depressant and makes us unreasonably angry.
Correlary: a long time ago, a friend told me "you can't argue with a drunk" that is, there will be no personal or spiritual growth in a Group setting if people show up drunk and argue, so we might have to ask you to leave the group, and we'd miss your toe picks. We're here to be helpful, not toxic. Keep smiling. Thanks for worrying about what I put on my personal blog, but it IS my blog, not yours and I do what a please on my site and with my own writing. Then you can take care of what YOU write and worry about YOUR comments on public newsgroups. And your behavior where other fans (and the band!!!) can see and hear you. Etc.
OK let's get positive now. Onward.
OH yeah, Bonnie you didn't respond to the facilitator's question. Why DO you like the Moodies? why are you drawn to them as a band, and why do you put so much effort into your fan activities??? Why do you go out of your way to see the shows??? (It's not about the facilitator, it's about YOUR feelings!!!) How do you feel about the band and the artists???
lunazure said
AH well she's not shy, and seems to be harboring anger. At least we have her talking! (I thought maybe she was shy or something). How do you feel about your anger? And not being able to tell someone else what to do with themselves, or their personal blog? Feel free to vent; you sound frustrated. It's just the Group here, and we're all here to grow and learn from each other. I know it always helps me to try and get "outside myself" and try to see things from someone else's perspective.
leslee I really like what you had to say up there, the more I think about it. Good sleuthing. A *dude* had yelled out "we love you Justin" (and Justin is pretty straight, I think we can all agree!!!) ............. as we have said many times "there's no telling what goes on back stage"......... in Phoenix I thought His Nibs was a bit grumpy, but have no idea why. Heat probably!!!
One of the rules of Group, you can't arrive drinking. leslee doesn't drink, and I've sworn off myself, due to high triglycerides. Be sure to come to our next meeting sober, Bonnie. You'll feel better about things. Alcohol is a depressant and makes us unreasonably angry.
Correlary: a long time ago, a friend told me "you can't argue with a drunk" that is, there will be no personal or spiritual growth in a Group setting if people show up drunk and argue, so we might have to ask you to leave the group, and we'd miss your toe picks. We're here to be helpful, not toxic. Keep smiling. Thanks for worrying about what I put on my personal blog, but it IS my blog, not yours and I do what a please on my site and with my own writing. Then you can take care of what YOU write and worry about YOUR comments on public newsgroups. And your behavior where other fans (and the band!!!) can see and hear you. Etc.
OK let's get positive now. Onward.
OH yeah, Bonnie you didn't respond to the facilitator's question. Why DO you like the Moodies? why are you drawn to them as a band, and why do you put so much effort into your fan activities??? Why do you go out of your way to see the shows??? (It's not about the facilitator, it's about YOUR feelings!!!) How do you feel about the band and the artists???
Words fail me.
lunazure said
Why DO you like the Moodies? why are you drawn to them as a band, and why do you put so much effort into your fan activities??? Why do you go out of your way to see the shows??? (It's not about the facilitator, it's about YOUR feelings!!!) How do you feel about the band and the artists???
I'm not a team player. I tend to dominate.
1. They brought back a spirit that had guided me right in the past, a supernal feeling, something I felt I needed if I would ever be more than a schlop.
2. The music is soothing, the stage act is clean, the chording is inspirational, and the lyrics have that feeling with them.
3. I am usually misunderstood. I'm misunderstood on this board, too; but at least I can have a conversation.
4. Because Justin is beautiful in every way and I love everything about him. Also, they don't play anywhere in my way.
5. I feel love.
Wait! You said Justin was grumpy in Phoenix? I'm so insensitive. I didn't even notice. The performance was so transcendent, I was carried away. I couldn't see anything for the tears in my eyes - not of pain but of a brief brush with perfection. I feel like a schmuck for having such a spiritual moment at Justin's expense when he was going through the cruds.
Dear Mr. NSA Man, Please relay the following: Sorry, Justin! I hope you're feeling better.
I don't know what PHX show was like really.... I was just gobsmacked by the entire performance, it was my first show of the tour. And I was so over heated... whew. What the "performers were feeling" was a little beyond me that night. Justin seemed peeved. Don't know. Maybe he was secretly ecstatic and was only pretending to throw me off!
A person doesn't have to be a team player unless it's a mandatory group activity. It's one of our fundamental rights, that we can play with (or not play with) whom we want on the playground. Alas when you try to tell other people how to play their game, and you weren't asked and they try to ignore you or politely deflect you..... it's sorta destructive and toxic to force yourself on the situation.
Just a personal opinion, mind you.
Where were we? Ah yes... not wasting my professional time. I'd post more psychobabble, but my fees have gone up to $200/hr. Inflation you know. From here on out we shall use playground metaphors for all those too under developed to understand more complex scenarios.
I don't know exactly what I feel, respect, honor, amazement, joy, interest, bemusement, curiosity. It's nice to feel ANYTHING some days!!! Love, no it's probably not that, but close. Yes some spiritual, some lust. None that I'd carry on over publicly, but it's personal and a good feeling.
Certainly not ANGER. Sometimes fear maybe, of unknown delights and beauty beyond my normal ken.
I just opened the windows. I hate wasting the warmth and sweet smells of summer. Enjoying the beautiful earth does wonders for my mental state - but not as much as seeing Justin. I once again find myself in scheduling gridlock. I always thought it would be great fun to follow the band for a full tour, or at least to maybe trek out west with a tour and never come back - except to visit me mum and all, and maybe catch some concerts in the eastern states.
But here I sit, waiting for a special invitation to want something so badly I stop thinking about collateral damage. I do that for small-stake items, like Reece's Peanutbutter Cups, but a whole Moodies tour, or a career as a musician? Scary!
I didn't barf the peanutbutter cups, so I guest it's not meant to be. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Love has so many dimensions. Sure, I don't want to control or manipulate in the name of love. I can love something for a day, like a beautiful sunset or a fragile rose. Just because it doesn't come back does not mean I really appreciated and adored it.
If I say I love Justin, nobody is assuming I am in any way involved with him, though some may construe that in my warped mind I have delusions about it. I love him a million ways, and they're all good. I have no regrets or dark feelings about it, either. Ya think maybe I need help?
No, you don't need help anymore than the rest of us. To quote James Blish in one of his vampire stories "Love is sacred, no matter what form it takes"........... I wish I could find that story. Two dudes are in a rowboat, and one is a vampire. They fall in love, and one throws the other overboard. Pretty weird story.
It takes somebody to help somebody.......... it's a Blue World.
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